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La Nation, la Loi, le Roi- A France NationSim VACANT SPOTS EVERYWHERE. Come sign up! The first turn will be due at 6:00 PM EST Monday, November 12th to qu0pr0quid001@gmail.com AND vanhelsing420@gmail.com This is a Nationsim where players roleplay people from a particular country at a particular place and time. This game takes place in France, 1791. Choose from any of the characters listed below, or create your own! Each turn lasts 3 months, making 4 turns a year. Every turn, email qu0pr0quid001@gmail.com and vanhelsing420@gmail.com what your character would have attempted to do in those months - success is determined by a mixture of my whimsy and the roll of a die. Sample actions could be, "rally supporters in Paris for a mass protest," or "write a letter lambasting the government," or even "<some other action that's exciting>." The only limit is your creativity. You can do nearly anything so long as it makes sense in the context of the game. History is not binding and player agency comes first. As for who you actually are, you assume the role of a personality and use their status and position to achieve your own goals. You should play whoever you’d like - if they’re not listed here, that’s fine - and if you can’t find a historical character that fits the niche you’re looking for feel free to make one up. Please be aware in this countrysim that we will be taking into account posts in the thread. This is to avoid the common problem in countrysims where moderator posts and player posts seem to exist in alternate universes. What you say will have an impact on turn results. Provide an email in your sign-up post. Also most of us hang out in #bop and #simcountry on synirc.irc.net so you might want to check that out too. Click here if you have never used IRC before. Turn 1 - Autumn 1791 Turn 2 - Winter 1791 Turn 3 - Spring 1792 Turn 4 - Summer 1792 Turn 5 - Autumn 1792 Turn 6 - Winter 1792 Turn 7 - Spring 1793 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Country: Royaume des Français (Kingdom of the French), established 3 September 1791 by the ratification of the French Constitution by King Louis XVI Foreign Relations: Good relations with the United States of America, poor relations with the Holy Roman Emperor and the Kingdom of Prussia, extremely poor relations with the Kingdom of Great Britain. Declaration of Pillnitz by Austria and Prussia a standing issue. Population: 28,000,000 Year: Autumn 1791 (turns represent 3 month seasonal cycles) Metropolitan France  Saint-Domingue  1547x1136 =Economy= - =Economic Sectors= Agriculture: 72% Manufacturing: 20% Trade: 8% Growth Rate: -3% = Unemployment: 20% =Government=  The Constitution of 1791 severely limited the nobility's authority. The King reserved some rights, such as the royal veto, but the ability to exercise this right seriously undermined the King's popularity in government. The writers of the Constitution struggled to balance royal power with popular sovereignty. - Popularity: Mediocre System: Unitary Constitutional Monarchy  King: Louis XVI de Bourbon/Gantolandon (gantolandonsa@gmail.com)
Laws of Succession: Agnatic Primogeniture Heir Apparent: Louis-Charles de Bourbon (unplayable) Legislative Assembly: 745 Seats (165 Feuillants, 330 Jacobins, 250 Independents) Elections: Members of the Legislative Assembly are elected every two years. 247 are chosen from each department, 249 are elected nationally and 249 are chosen on the basis of tax revenue. Suffrage: All men who pay annual taxes equal to or greater than the local wages paid for three days of labor, over the age of 25. =Cabinet= The choice and dismissal of Ministers appertains solely to the King. The members of the Legislative Assembly may not be appointed. All powers exercised by the King must be signed by at least one minister before it can take effect.  Minister of Foreign Affairs: Armand Marc, comte de Montmorin/Rincewind (blriley@gmail.com) The Minister of Foreign Relations is tasked with maintaining relations with foreign nations and the protection of French citizens abroad. He is nominally considered to be the Prime Minister.  Minister of War: Louis, comte de Narbonne-Lara/vacant The Minister of War has total control over the French Army and is responsible for the protection of French border provinces. Given international hostility toward France, the execution of this duty may be difficult.  Minister of the Marine: Claude Antoine de Valdec de Lessart/vacant The Minister of the Marine has jurisdiction over all seafaring French vessels and the colonial territories. It is his duty to ensure the protection of trade.  Minister of Justice: Marguerite-Louis-François Duport-Dutertre/ZearothK (zearothk@trioptimum.com) The Minister of Justice is responsible for all judicial affairs within France and ensuring the rule of law is maintained. Due to the chaotic nature of French internal affairs, the Minister will have to balance the orders of the King and Legislative Assembly. Controller-General of Finances: *Office Empty; King must appoint* The Controller-General is charged with maintaining state finances, agriculture, industry, commerce, roads and estates. Due to the poor state of the French economy, the position is in a state of turmoil and officials here rarely last long. =Factions=  - Club des Feuillants Constitutionalist, led by Antoine Barnave/IPlayVideoGames (vhramis at gmail.com ) The Feuillants are considered the ‘moderates’ of the French Revolution. These officials believe in the preservation of the monarchy in its current limited form and promote decentralization. Their headquarters is located in a former monastery on the Rue Saint-Honoré in Paris. Represented by the colour blue. - Club des Jacobins Radical Republican (Montagnard) wing led by Maximilien de Robespierre/sniper4625. Liberal Republican (Girondin) wing led by Jacques Pierre Brissot/Freudian (i.bindley at g-mail). The faction is roughly evenly split. The Jacobins are the radicals of the French Revolution who want the complete dissolution of the monarchy and to further centralize the French government. However, the group is divided further into two bickering wings, with the Montagnards believing in immediate dissolution of the crown and the Girondins preferring to keep the King until the nation stabilizes. Their headquarters is located in a former convent on the Rue St. Jacques in Paris. Represented by the colour red. - Monarchistes Français Reactionary Monarchist, led by Georges Cadoudal/Arujei (rjohnlennon@gmail.com) Although they are not represented in the Legislative Assembly, this group represents an alliance between members of the former aristocracy, who wish to see a return of the absolute monarchy and landed aristocracy, and marginalized minorities like the Bretons who chafe under the centralization of the state. Although many fled following the ratification of the Constitution, those who remain in France have strong funding from outside parties. Both Jacobins and Feuillants are terrified of these émigrés because of their ability to influence French politics. Departments: Following the ratification of the French constitution, the provinces of France were destroyed and the lands of the aristocracy dissolved. In their place, the Legislative Assembly established 82 departments. Each department is ruled by an Administrator and receives three representatives in the Legislative Assembly, except Paris which receives only one. =Military=  The reformed French military in 1791 required well-trained officers, disciplined soldiers and freethinking non-commissioned officers. Due to the collapse of the nobility, of which the army had been dependent on, the French military lacked all three of these qualities. The result was a poorly organized, poorly disciplined fighting force. 1791 Reglement  Maréchal de France: Nicolas Luckner/OscarDiggs (oscardiggssa@hotmail.co.uk) Forces: 93,000 soldiers, 11,000 cavaliers, 290 cannons Situation: Low morale, little organization, constant high ranking defections among remnants of the Royal Army. Newly formed and enthusiastic volunteer regiments swell the ranks, but suffer from a complete lack of training and discipline. French Navy  Admiral: Charles Hector, comte d'Estaing/tatankatonk (tatankatonk22@gmail.com) Forces: 71 ships of the line, 64 frigates, 45 corvettes, sizable merchant marine Situation: Complete lack of command structure. Many vessels in disrepair or the targets of sabotage. Antiquated or poor understanding of developing gunnery thought renders the navy less a wooden wall and more a bridge the British can use to cross. Swiss Guard  Oberst: Major Karl Josef von Bachmann/Enjoy Forces: 900 guardsmen Situation: Highly trained, highly effective mercenaries serving as the King’s personal guards. The Swiss Guard have defended the monarchy since 1480 and are one of the most feared fighting forces in Europe. National Guard  Commander-in-Chief: Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette/ a bad enough dude (ehoovestol@gmail.com) Forces: 48,000 National Guardsmen and 12 cannons Situation: High morale, but poorly trained and organized. Recruits are drawn almost solely from the middle class. =Rebellions= Haitian Slave Revolt Leaders: Several, in disarray  Commander: Toussaint Louverture/EccoRaven Ideology: Abolitionist Popularity: 85% among black Haitians, no support in Metropolitan France Forces: 20,000 slaves Situation: Morale is very high, training is abysmal or nonexistent. Occupying most of northern Saint-Domingue and sporadically attacking the whites there. Receiving arms and supplies from the Spanish. Other Important Individuals and Groups: Archdiocese of Paris With the confiscation of church property and the subjugation of the clergy to the state, the influence of the church hierarchy on France is theoretically minimal at best. In reality, however, many voiceless Catholics still place their church first, and no one is in so good a position to take advantage of that trust as the Archbishop of Paris.  Archbishop: Antoine-Éléonor-Léon Leclerc de Juigné/Cozy Hemp Mines (Cozyhempmines at googlemail) American Embassy to France Although he may not wield significant power on the European stage, the American ambassador and his government serve as symbols of democracy and republicanism.  Ambassador: William Short/Tao Jones (sa.taojones at gmail) British Embassy to France Along with setting British foreign policy concerning France, the current ambassador also has a vast amount of personal wealth to draw upon.  Ambassador: Duke George Leveson-Gower/Incy (incysa at gmail)  Louis Philippe II, “Citoyen Egalité”, Duke of Orléans/Colonel Wood (sacolonel.wood at gmail.com) Louis Philippe is notable for being one of the few members of the French nobility to actively support the revolution. Both sides distrust him for his unconventional politics.  Marie Gouze/vacant Although initially in support of the Revolution, Marie Gouze was disenchanted when she learned women would not be allowed to participate. She is an influential writer in Paris but extremely controversial.  Madame Roland/vacant The wife of noted Jacobin Jean-Marie Roland, the Madame exerts a great deal of influence over her husband and through him the members of the Legislative Assembly.  François-Noël Babeuf/A RICH WHITE MAN/ (moodinconsistency at gmail) The council-general of Somme has garnered national interest for his radical new ideas and strong opposition to the monarchy.  Louis Antoine de Saint-Just/Epicurius (epicurius at aol.com) Louis is a young, up and coming star within the Jacobins. He has publicly called for the execution of all monarchs, a terrifying idea for most of France.  Jacques Roux/Stalingrad (stalingradlenin@gmail.com) Sans Culottes supporting Catholic Priest, advocating a classless society based on popular democracy.  Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade/ Fall Sick and Die (ccferrara@gmail.com) French aristocrat, revolutionary spokesperson and sexual deviant, most of France is not sure what to make of Marquis de Sade.  Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord/ Götterdämmerung (wafflepoet at gmail dot com) Charles Maurice is a member of the minor aristocracy in France but has devoted his life to far more revolutionary ideals. He participated in the writing of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and proposed the Civil Constitution of the Clergy.  Napoleon Bonaparte/YF-23 (yfaltmiau at hotmail dot com) Although he is just a minor lieutenant and Corsican nationalist, Napoleon's friends claim that he has big opportunities ahead of him.  Charles Armand Tuffin, marquis de la Rouerie/ Gorgo Primus As a veteran of the American Revolution and self-described "Champion of the Nobility", Charles is an influential French citizen. =Stats=  Agriculture: Undercapitalized with low average crop yields. Poor harvests have lead to unfavorable conditions for local markets. Industry:: Mostly textiles, with some mining and metalworking. Facing collapse due to flight of working capital, loss of export markets, and stiff competition from Great Britain. Food: Mild famine has resulted in a massive spike in prices that much of the nation cannot afford. Nobility and bourgeois eat well. Labor: No restrictions on working hours or hiring practices Education: 44% literacy for men, 30% for women. Based on the apprenticeship system, with Catholic seminaries being used as an alternative for poor families. Private tutors used for nobility. Public Health: Major cities contain small sewers but require updated water systems. Health care largely provided by the clergy. Crime: Approximately 3,660 officers are used to defend strategic sites like the palace, royal mint and major roadways. Well-organized and trained but corrupt. Trade: France receives a large influx of goods from her colonies. However, her exports have fallen out of favor within Europe itself. Colonies: Mostly in the Caribbean and India, holdovers from numerous unsuccessful wars against Britain. Slavery is widespread and forms the lifeblood of the overseas economy. Finance: Assignats have largely replaced the livre as the de facto currency of France. Mild inflation due to overproduction of paper money. Urbanization: Less than a quarter live in cities. Population growth primarily in rural areas. Religion: Catholics dominate political life but Calvinists are tolerated. Jews are non-citizens. The Civil Constitution of the Clergy makes priests direct employees of the sftate. Ethnic Groups: 48% French, 44% Occitan, 7% Breton, 1% Corsican. Official toleration of local languages but increasing momentum towards French as the sole language of the state. =Budget= Due to the poor economic policies of the monarchy, the treasury of France was bankrupt by the time the Constitution was enacted. In order to ensure economic stability, church property was forcibly seized and used as a standard for the currency. Despite the decrease in royal power, a large portion of the yearly budget was used to build and maintain the property of the nobility. As a consequence of underfunding the police and low accountability among tax collectors, Revolutionary France often had difficulties collecting taxes. quote:Contributions Directes:
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Robespierre. sniper4625@gmail.com
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Toussaint Louveture. Email is the same as my username, at gmail.
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Archbishop: Antoine-Éléonor-Léon Leclerc de Juigné Email: Cozyhempmines at googlemail
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Jacques Pierre Brissot of the Girondins i.bindley at g-mail
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Nicolas Luckner oscardiggssa@hotmail.co.uk
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Louis XVI de Bourbon gantolandonsa@gmail.com
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Georges Cadoudal Email: rjohnlennon@gmail.com  In Sapientia Robur, Sic Reflorescent!
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I wish to play Duke George Leveson-Gower. incysa at gmail, or incy on irc
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 Major Karl Josef von Bachmann of the Swiss Guard sw_faulty@hotmai.com
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Louis Philippe II, “Citoyen Egalité”, Duke of Orléans. sacolonel.wood at gmail.com
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François-Noël Babeuf moodinconsistency at an email provided lovingly by Google Inc. 
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I'll play as Saint-Just. epicurius at aol.com
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Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette, Hero of the American Revolution, Commander-in-chief of the National Guard of France ehoovestol@gmail.com
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I'll take Armand Marc, comte de Montmorin, the minister for foreign affairs. Let's do some diplomacy! I'll try not to lose my head over it. blriley@gmail.com skype: wrenchwind
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Sure, why not. Antoine Barnave, please. vhramis at gmail.com
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Jacques Roux Sans Culottes supporting Catholic Priest, advocating a classless society based on popular democracy. Email:stalingradlenin@gmail.com Skype:stalingradleningrad.
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Archbishop Antoine-Éléonor-Léon Leclerc de Juigné Autumn 1791, Harvest Mass My congregation, at the conclusion of this Harvest Mass; I would like to remind you of the words handed down from The Holy See sent from the Lord himself earlier this year. Listen to these words and act according towards those in your community who have taken the Civil Oath of the Clergy. Pope Pius VI - Charitas - On the Civil Oath in France - 13 April 1791 posted:
Placeat tibi, sancta Trinitas, obsequium servitutis meae: et praesta, ut sacrificium quod oculis tuae majestatis indignus obtuli, tibi sit acceptabile, mihique, et omnibus proquibus illud obtuli, sit te miserante propitiabile. Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Benedicat vos omnipotens Deus Pater, et Filius, et Spiritus Sanctus. Amen.
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Fellow Christians: The ongoing revolution must continue until the end of the Kings power, the Jacobins are correct in this, of that it must be known. However, the end of the Kings reign will not lead to the Popular democracy that the people deserve, working Christians of Paris must rise up, where there is food in abundance, take you share, give to your neighbour, and truly take your birthright as the children of God. Today I read from the Book of Acts: quote:Acts 2: quote:Acts 4: quote:Acts 5: Men of Paris, March!
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Georges CadoudalThe Pamphlet "Lois de Dieu et de l'Homme" posted:My fellow citizens and subjects, Parisian, Breton, Norman, Occitan, I speak from my heart to yours! Just as we are all of one body in the kingdom of France, whose head is the King Louis, we are all part of the universal body of the Church, whose earthly head is the Pope in Rome. The attempt by the atheists of the assembly to cut off France, First Daughter of Christendom!, from the Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself is blasphemy!
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The Marquis de Sade - ccferrara@gmail.com, Wishes for Death on AIM
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I'll play as Ambassador William Short.    email: sa.taojones at the usual place
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Archbishop Antoine-Éléonor-Léon Leclerc de Juigné Autumn 1791 Jacques Roux, Heretic — j’accuse! Stalingrad posted:Fellow Christians: I am asking the Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis to become involved, Roux. You'll burn for what you have said this day!
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Screw it, I've no excuse not to enjoy this. This is my first time, although, so apologies if I step on some toes. I'll be putting Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord into play a little bit early. My email is wafflepoet at gmail dot com.
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Citizen Sade - Autumn of 1791 An excerpt of a letter published publicly to King Louis XVI de Bourbon ...social order at the expense of liberty is hardly a bargain, my King. Therefore I ask that you consider my immediate Appointment, Citizen Sade, also known as the Marquis de Sade, to a position Suitable to a man of my extreme talents. As an elected Delegate to the Legislative ASsembly, I possess the support of the people. I have served as a Colonel in the Armed Forces of the French nation, acquitting myself most Nobly and Impressively during the Seven Years War, whose outcome would surely have been far more in our Favor had my rank been increased. I have Scriven a number of pamphlets whose Philosophical and Libertine musings have inspired the very tenor of this new generation. I understand both the plight of the Aristocracy as well as that of the Common Man. Which position would be appropriate, however? This question we must ponder, for its importance will surely affect the fate of the nation, and so the lives of millions. The Minister of Justice? I am afraid I have neither the heart nor the head for this position. Too often Justice has plagued me, nor do I have the desire to bring slaughter to the enemies of the state. Let the evil deed be proscribed by law, let justice smite the criminal, that will be deterrent enough. The Minister of the Marine? I profess openly that I am a coward, and fear to tread upon the blue road of the sea, nor have I any talent for the works of engineering, mathematics or lumbermanship which would be required to restore our Navy to a state of grace. The Minister of War then? Sadly, I have grown pleasantly gross and find the saddle tiresome, no longer the Dragoon I once was, let this task fall to a man less corpulent. Finally we must consider of necessity the only position remaining, the Controller-General of Finances. Who but a madman would actually request to hold this position, yet I must admit, I am tempted! Man was created with very keen tastes, with very strong passions; placed on this earth for the sole purpose of yielding to them and satisfying them, and currently no passion moves me more potently than to render France's accounts sustainable. Let Citizen Sade take the reins of Finance. As a representative of the Radicals, your appointment of me would show that you intend to form a cabinet not merely dominated by Monarchists and allies. Should I fail, it will surely damn the Left who you may find a thorn in your side. Should I succeed, France will be in a superior position and some of the chaos of the previous years may subside. I patiently await your letter of gracious acceptance. Citizen Sade
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In as Admiral Charles Hector, comte d'Estaing email tatankatonk22@gmail.com e: Quick question, in 1790 the French Navy had 71 ships of the line, 64 frigates, 45 corvettes, 75,000 sailors, and 13,000 marines according to Wikipedia. Should the Navy's numbers in the OP be changed?
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 Marquis de Lafayette, Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard The National Guard was organized by the National Assembly to protect the constitutional order, and as long as I am invested with its leadership that is what it shall do. Many enemies of France from without and within seek to plunge us either back into the ancien régime or into radical chaos. I will stand against both. I am a firm lover of liberty, having proudly fought besides the great General George Washington in America's own revolution, yet I cannot allow a thirst for liberty to lead us into anarchy. Instead let us French steady our ship of state, consolidate our great gains made for the rights of man, and march forward from there. Otherwise we risk losing it all.
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Marguerite-Louis-François Duport-Dutertre, recently appointed Ministre de la Justice, can be contacted at zearothk@trioptimum.com, which conveniently enough works for Gchat as well.
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 Louis XVI, By the Grace of God, King of France and Navarre. Members of the Assembly! As your King, it pains us greatly to see our beloved country in such a sorry state. Our army is only a shadow of what it once were, the fleet is in pitiful state. People are starving in the streets and finances are in tatters. We are aware that many of you would blame us for neglecting the matters of the state. For the most part, you are right. We accept our responsibility. No king should ever become insensitive to the plight of his people. Had we listened more, this whole conflict could have been avoided. As you all know, we are in desperate need of a capable Controller-General of Finances. We could just appoint someone we trust, but it most certainly would be seen as a return to the old ways. As the Assembly could easily undermine the government if they wish, it would be probably most reasonable to appoint someone whom they trust. The question is: who would that be? We have been offered a... certainly interesting proposition. Marquis de Sade, a radical republican, offered his candidature. He seems capable enough to govern our finances. As this is a huge responsibility, we would like to hear more from Republicans. Would they vouch for his moral stance? When this last obstacle is cleared, we all should think what should we do to make our country a powerhouse again.
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Nicolas Luckner, Maréchal de France. My job is to make this ramshackle force fighting fit, yet I am assailed on all sides by problems and issues that make this task nearly impossible. I hope to solve these problems in the coming months, but for that I must have all the tools I have been given and more. Therefore, I propose the following. The Citizen-Soldier Suffrage Act. Anyone who joins the Army or Navy and serves for a minimum of 2 years will receive suffrage and the right to vote in elections, as soon as they reach 25 years. Those who are honourable discharged will also receive the right of suffrage at 25. Those who are dishonourable discharged or defect from the forces will be permanently disbarred from entering the political process. The National Guardsmen would receive Suffrage after 6 years service. I hope that this will attract even more people to join up in both the Army and the Navy, while letting us retain and protect some of our nascent command structure. I would also like to put myself forward for the position of Minister of War. Although my predecessor has yet to prove himself capable or otherwise, I feel that my efforts to reorganise the Reglement will go smoother if I have full control over administration and bureaucracy.
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 From the desk of Robespierre Despite his...interesting...literary works, I have every faith that our dear Marquis is a staunch republican, dedicated to the ideals of the Revolution. I would be happy to see him as our new Minister of Finances. At the same time, I support the Citizen-Soldier Suffrage Act. Our army must be one of the people, not the nobility, and this is an important first step.
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Louis Antoine de Saint-Just I also support the Citizen-Soldier Suffrage Act. We must always be ready to reward those who serve France.
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Louis XVI, By the Grace of God, King of France and Navarre. We wholly support Citizen-Soldier Suffrage Act. We are also inclined to make Monsieur Nicolas Luckner the Minister of War. His ideas of reform in the army seem sound.
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Reserving Napoleon. e-mail is yfaltmiau at hotmail dot com
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I of course as a member of the Paris Commune, outright refute the citizen soldier act, man is born free, he dies free, he never has to earn his life!
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My eyesight fails, I must away, will return at break of day. My position on the matter is that as many people as possible should have suffrage, and any item which moves towards that has my full support.
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An excerpt from 1791 letter, W. Short to Secretary of State T. Jefferson: ...the situation in France is, as yet, difficult to read. The friendship enjoyed between our republic and His Majesty's government is still intact, while the cause of Liberty makes our republic a symbol for the revolutionaries. You and I have had many fruitful discussions about the situation in France, but having been here and seen it with my own eyes, I would like to caution you about being too sanguine in favor of the revolutionaries. The fundamental nature of the animal called Man is not something that should be easily brushed aside, and I fear that, should they win, what comes after a monarch may be yet a worse tyrant. Therefore, I believe it is in the interest of the republic to remain agnostic about revolutionary affairs. My adversary in Paris is one Earl Gower, a man reputedly of fantastic wealth. I have not yet had the opportunity to observe him personally. The main issue of concern for the republic in this season is the issue of a Negro revolt on the island of Haiti. If the French state were well-ordered, it would not be difficult to suppress it, but my sentiment is that the government will need some goading to action. I need not remind you, as a fellow gentleman of Virginia, what impact a successful revolt of the Negro might mean for the New World...
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Saint-Just While I still support the Citizen-Soldier act I agree with Father Roux that it does not go far enough. Therefore, I propose the General Suffrage act, which removes the property qualification for voters. Henceforth, all men at least 25 years of age shall be allowed to vote, whether they meet the property or income requirements.
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Comte d'Estaing, Admiral of the Navy Look, we all know where this is going, so lets just get the party started here in France and approve the Universal Suffrage Act, which removes all property requirements from being eligible to vote, and grants voting rights to all men AND women over the age of 18.
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Louis XVI, By the Grace of God, King of France and Navarre. Messieurs, before promoting ideas like your General Suffrage Act, please think about necessities first. The country desperately need soldiers. Without a strong army, how can we hope to protect our borders and make trade with our colonies go smoothly? The poor don't need right to vote as much as they need bread and safety. The Chancellor-General is not appointed yet, but we would like you (and Marquis de Sade) to take a look at our current spendings. French industry and agriculture is not getting nearly enough money. On the other hand, the judiciary branch grow out of control and recompensing the dispossessed nobles takes a bit too much money. Unless we do something, the people of France will starve and no elections will make them happy.
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